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the math doesn't work. >> you're the master of the budget. so let's go through the plan. the obama camp says independent groups say if you cut those tax rates for everybody 20%, it costs $5 trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. >> how much would it cost? >> its revenue neutral. >> i'm just talking about the cuts. we'll get to the deductions. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rates by 20%. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue new pral unless you take away the deductions. the first half, lowering the tax rates, does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into a baseline art with you but that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- let me finish. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> i got to tell you, what did you think of that? i thought that was unbelievable. >> why? >> first of all, it was on fox which we all have views on what you think fox will do. second of all, i think he has no details. >> i don't agr
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